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Reth Alithes
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:34:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Fr00b Snap wrote:Nerfing drone DPS in any way will make Stratios useless for lowsec DED`s. While I'm concerned about it being overpowered in PvP, this is absolutely true, unfortunately. You need fairly high DPS to be able to break overseer tanks. I think the best solution is a 6/3/6 slot layout, that lets you fit a prop mod and relic/data analyzer for exploration mode, allows 4 guns + cloak and probe launcher, and balances heavy drone DPS in PvP by not allowing a dual-web fit, and therefore reducing the applied DPS of heavy drones. You don't actually need that much dps to break an overseer's tank. Only about 400 of their weakest resist to kill most of them. And this ship doesn't have the tank to be able to do any of the harder (8/10 +) DED sites.
You can reduce the drone dps of this ship without stopping its ability to finish DED sites because it can't tank the DED sites where the drone dps actually matters.
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Reth Alithes
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.10.05 19:42:00 -
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Fr00b Snap wrote:Reth Alithes wrote:Xequecal wrote:Fr00b Snap wrote:Nerfing drone DPS in any way will make Stratios useless for lowsec DED`s. While I'm concerned about it being overpowered in PvP, this is absolutely true, unfortunately. You need fairly high DPS to be able to break overseer tanks. I think the best solution is a 6/3/6 slot layout, that lets you fit a prop mod and relic/data analyzer for exploration mode, allows 4 guns + cloak and probe launcher, and balances heavy drone DPS in PvP by not allowing a dual-web fit, and therefore reducing the applied DPS of heavy drones. You don't actually need that much dps to break an overseer's tank. Only about 400 of their weakest resist to kill most of them. And this ship doesn't have the tank to be able to do any of the harder (8/10 +) DED sites. You can reduce the drone dps of this ship without stopping its ability to finish DED sites because it can't tank the DED sites where the drone dps actually matters. If you reduce drone dps not a single person will use it for lowsec deds, everyone will just continue using Ishtar. If dps needs to be reduced for whatever reason, then it should be done in some other way, removing or reducing turrets hardpoints comes to mind.
Reducing turret hardpoints wouldn't do anything but shift the design focus of the ship away from the intended "Lasers and Drones". Beyond the fact that 4 unbonused turrets do pathetic dps, they would also make it that much harder to be cap stable and I wouldn't be surprised if many fits just forgo turrets.
When 95% of this ships dps is tied up in drones you can't really reduce the turret hardpoints and say to yourself "Yeah, we made a significant impact on its damage."
And I really wouldn't say that nerfing the drone dps would make people not want to use it over the ishtar. The Stratios easier to get into, it has a scanning bonus, it has a hacking bonus, and it doesn't have to rely on a MWD + Improved cloak trip to safely get past gatecamps, and to top it off more agile and can bail out in under 5 seconds if someone appears on grid. The 20% resists across the board also give it better tanking options against non-guristas/serpentis that the Ishtar just doesn't have. |
Reth Alithes
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:24:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:
4 DDAs push the ships DPS up to 772 with Ogre IIs and 731 with Garde IIs
845 and 800.
4DDA = 845 & 800
3DDA = 793 & 751
2DDA = 701 & 663
1DDA = 584 & 554
All of these before guns. |
Reth Alithes
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:21:00 -
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Wolfcyra wrote:Didn't read every post in here, but i got a question that comes with the new ships ... are there plans to bring out new sisters of eve items like for example a sisters of eve analyzer and or other items? .... just as a idea tho :)
I'd love to see a Sister's Analyzer. Slightly better than T1 (25 strength vs 20, T2 has 30). Catch is that it can do both data and relic sites so you can save yourself a midslot at the cost of efficiency when hacking.
Also faction Drone mods outside of the Omnilink like the navigation computer or damage amp. But, those would be more likely to come from the Gallente Fed. corporations before they hit the shelves with another. |
Reth Alithes
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:26:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Reth Alithes wrote:Wolfcyra wrote:Didn't read every post in here, but i got a question that comes with the new ships ... are there plans to bring out new sisters of eve items like for example a sisters of eve analyzer and or other items? .... just as a idea tho :) I'd love to see a Sister's Analyzer. Slightly better than T1 (25 strength vs 20, T2 has 30). Catch is that it can do both data and relic sites so you can save yourself a midslot at the cost of efficiency. I think being able to do both would be extremely OP, especially if it was better than a T1 at that point. It would have to either be like other faction mods and have easier fitting and same stats as T2 or heaver fitting and better than T2. For one to do both it would need to be worse at it than a T1 module.
A man can dream, can't he? |
Reth Alithes
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:55:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:Sentinel Smith wrote:So many people forget.. Having a CovOps cloak does not mean you can just deloak and lock. T2 Covops have a bonus for locktime.. This ship does no.. When you decloak you are looking at 10 + actual locktime before you can do anything. Half the ships it will face can warp or speed off before that time is up, the other half have 10 seconds or so to apply their own damage instantly.
6 seconds with covops trained to IV, or 5s at lev V. Or zero, if you decloak and drop drones, and assist them to someone else..... Good tip
If these ships don't cost an insane amount of money (and if the current number of missioners in Osmon is any indication, they won't) I could very easily see some fleets of these ships. Full (or mostly full) tank in the lows, 2 omnis, 2 sensor damps, 1 mwd for mids, drone control range/RRs in the highs. Cloaky sentry gangs that can turn on a dime and spidertank if need be. One Sebo'd Cloaky Loki to do the target pewing. |
Reth Alithes
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:19:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Now do it again, and FRAPS it this time, with 4-5 sites.
Contrary to popular opinion, 6/10s are not hard. |
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